Steam vs Epic Games

For an example of how Epic Games money hatting works, read this:


As you can see, even if everyone canceled their preorder or got a refund, Phoenix Point STILL makes money. There are several other examples of this same thibg happening to other now Epic Exclusive games. This is Epic's way of being anti competitive hypocrites paying to keep .

If you're being to lazy to click the link or read the entire Reddit post, here is just one single quote by Phoenix Points developer themselves.

Keep in mind that we knew there would be backlash. We knew there would be refunds. If we had to refund 100% of currently pre-orders, we'd still be in the black. We didn't make the decision lightly

Obviously I can't go into details about the deal - but it's for a minimum guarantee - which means Epic will guarantee that we will sell X number of copies. Even if we don't hit that number, they still pay us.

Again, let me just be clear. Yes, we're being "paid" by Epic (it's actually a minimum sales guarantee).This wasn't a decision we made over night

We knew there would be upset, anger and outrage. We knew there would be refunds. This was all factored into our decision.

Still a lot with a minimum guarantee. Enough to keep the studio running for years to come - and that was the point of this. It significantly reduces our risk on launch and means we can continue to provide content and updates
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Phoenix Point is also previously a Kickstarted Steam Game btw.

Yes, it is good for the developer, but that is entirely irrelevant to the consumers rights or choice. Its them being paid money in exchange for exclusivity to one platform. It isnt pocket change, its millions of dollars.

Epic are hurting PC gaming with their bullshit practices and I feel for everyone affected even if I am not myself.

I mean, yes its iterally a deal that is just too good to refuse but that is exactly why it is anti competitive. The lack of the 30% fee is obviously not enough incentive to keep Publishers/Developers off Steam by itself, instead Epic has to inject a heavy cashflow upfront, before sales to keep games off other services. Valve doesnt pull shit like this.
 
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Seems like common sense is falling on deaf ears...

But good luck proving Ys Net acted in bad faith over a kickstarter...
 
The ones who are missing common sense are the people who continually dismiss the concerns of others and then resort to name calling because they cant accept that such concerns are completely valid. If or when Shenmue 3 flops, maybe yall will understand. And its unfair to judge or blame people who refuse to buy the game now because they dont want to accept this COMMON SENSE anti competitive and anti consumer behavior. The people that accepted the deal did it to themselves, they have no rights to complain, but hey, even if people cancel their pre-orders or get a refund Deep Silver/YS Net are still getting paid. Good for them.
 
It might limited the sales of the pc Version yes, but there is still the console market and the asian market. The Steam epic war is a western Thing. So there are still other sources of income besides the western pc market.

We also do not know anything abou the Things that are going on closed doors. Maybe they really ran out of Money and the Epic deal can help to improve the game.

Morality is not a bad Thing but obsolete in our capitalistic System. Gaming is a Business. The gaming companies are always there were the Money is. If they can get out more Money for certain deal they do it.

That is the way Things are.
 
The people without common sense are the ones who are okay with Valve making their games exclusive to their monopolistic platform while raging at others wanting to do the same with alternatives...that actually pay and support developers and ultimately humanity more...
 
Yes, that is the way things are and consumers have the right and quite frankly imo the responsibilty to let such a business know they exist because of them. Not the other way around. When a business does stupid shit they dont have the right to still keep all the positives or not face backlash for it.
 
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The people without common sense are the ones who are okay with Valve making their games exclusive to their monopolistic platform while raging at others wanting to do the same with alternatives...
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Talking about lacking sense, keep refusing to accept that Valve only keeps their non VR games that they themselves make exclusive to their platform. Thats it. There are otherwise ZERO exclusives paid for by Valve on Steam. Every big exclusive on Epic Game Store, Epic PAID for.
 
Every Company will take the Money over morality. I can't see how not dealing with epic and their Money would help a limited Budget game at all? The negative backlash would not be there and the Steamers had no reason to complain. But how would the game bennifit from no taking the Money from Epic.

In theory they Money they earned from Epic could be used to improve the game. Without the Epic Money they might be Money left for improvement...

But that is all pure speculation. We cannot look behind the curtain. Maybe the delay and the deal have nothing to with each other anyway..
 
We can look behind the curtain by examining how Epic treated other exclusive games, where just one example is the link to the Phonenix Point Kickstarter I linked previously.

BTW, Phoenix Point allows users to redeem a Steam key day one, and to get a refund. Deep Silver/YS Net arent doing this. You have to wait a year to rebuy it on Steam, and they wont give a refund.

And just because a company will choose money over morality everytime doesnt dismiss others criticisms. Thats just blindly accepting them fucking you over and saying "may I please have another?

Yeah, no.

People dont have to let their love for Shenmue outweigh their desire for not being pushed around and accepting these kind of actions from Developers/Publishers.
 
9dragons said:
Every Company will take the Money over morality. I can't see how not dealing with epic and their Money would help a limited Budget game at all? The negative backlash would not be there and the Steamers had no reason to complain. But how would the game bennifit from no taking the Money from Epic.

In theory they Money they earned from Epic could be used to improve the game. Without the Epic Money they might be Money left for improvement...

But that is all pure speculation. We cannot look behind the curtain. Maybe the delay and the deal have nothing to with each other anyway..
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It's fine that YsNet and DS takes money. It's not fine that they dont want to give us Steam keys, that cost them NOTHING. LITERALLY 0 DOLLARS a year later. At this point it's not about money. It's about willingness.
 
ShenmueTree said:
Talking about lacking sense, keep refusing to accept that Valve only keeps their non VR games that they themselves make exclusive to their platform. Thats it. There are otherwise ZERO exclusives paid for by Valve on Steam. Every big exclusive on Epic Game Store, Epic PAID for.
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So it's okay for Valve to keep multiple games exclusive to their platform, but it's not okay for Ys Net to make Shenmue III a timed-exclusive to get more promotional, technological, and developmental resources it needs as a small studio?
 
reminisce said:
The people without common sense are the ones who are okay with Valve making their games exclusive to their monopolistic platform while raging at others wanting to do the same with alternatives...that actually pay and support developers and ultimately humanity more...
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MONOPOLY! MONOPOLY! POLLY WANT A CRACKER!

Might actually hold some water were it not for the fact that you're defending a company that used their financial position to ensure that its competitors did not have access to a product we want to buy, literally monopolising it.
 
DigitalDuck said:
MONOPOLY! MONOPOLY! POLLY WANT A CRACKER!

Might actually hold some water were it not for the fact that you're defending a company that used their financial position to ensure that its competitors did not have access to a product we want to buy, literally monopolising it.
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But you can buy it on PC...Valve keeping their games exclusive to their platform and not paying other developers their fair share is the one you need to worry about...take care...
 
reminisce said:
So it's okay for Valve to keep multiple games exclusive to their platform, but it's not okay for Ys Net to make Shenmue III a timed-exclusive to get more promotional, technological, and developmental resources it needs as a small studio?
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Objectively it would be better if no games were exclusive, yes, but the way Valve operates is really not any different than Nintnedo or PlayStatiob keeping the games they make locked their hardware.

Also to your point it is whataboutism and being complete disingenious bullshit because the backlash is for paying for and keeping third party games off Steam in order to lock it to Epic Games Stord. Valve does NOT and have NEVER done this for any third party game. But yeah, continue arguing in bad faith and projecting the lack of common sense from those of you that refuse to see that the complaints are valid.

Also I am done . its too exhausing to keep this up and ultimately its useless trying to make yall face the facts when yall keep clogging your ears up and saying "lalala cant hear you!" but like I said, when Shenmue 3 flops it wont be because of those who dont buy it on Epic store. Thats on Epic Store and the developer and publisher.
 
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But you can buy it on PC...Valve keeping their games exclusive to their platform and not paying other developers their fair share is the one you need to worry about...take care...
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You can buy it on PC when it's on Steam too.

Valve pay other developers their fair share. They advertise at all times their rates, which are exactly the same as most other places, and developers agree to these rates.

What does any of this have to do with the ridiculous "monopoly" screeching?
 
DigitalDuck said:
You can buy it on PC when it's on Steam too.

Valve pay other developers their fair share. They advertise at all times their rates, which are exactly the same as most other places, and developers agree to these rates.

What does any of this have to do with the ridiculous "monopoly" screeching?
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Because when you’re a monopoly, developers don’t have much choice...take care...
 
Guess you either get it or you don’t...especially if you’re not the developers taking the pay cut...

Imagine in the future when you have to download Shenmue IV on epicgames.com instead of steampowered.com omg the travesty haha

Thanks for the comedy...take care all ✌
 
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