Steam vs Epic Games

GhostTrick said:
Maybe start making sense first.




What partnership ? You know a partnership involves money ?

You keep telling me about EA and Blizzard. Yeah, they have their own platform. So there's a reason they push for THEIR platform.

So basically, if a platform is big enough, you expect developpers to skip a bigger platform for no money involved, just because "well I like those guys they are my friends !".
That's not a partnership.

I'm still.looking for the reasoning where instead of selling to two places, you decide to sell to one place, for no money involved.

Because one doesn't exclude the other. It's not because you release on Steam that you cant release on Epic nor the other way around.

And I dont buy into your "free partnership" idea either. That's not how things work.
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there are a lot of different partnerships, not just one that only has target XYZ and nothing else.
there are publishers who are supporting exclusive games 100% because they dont want to work with different platforms.
they made the Anno and Division 2 Epic deal because by going that way they didnt have to sell it on Steam
and they knew that people will use the Uplay store more likely. they made the deal to exclude Steam.
also Epic doesnt support cheap keys from other regions and a lot of publishers are annoyed by those keysellers,
because Ubisoft UK for example wants you to pay the official Ubisoft UK price and not the price of a russian region,
thats another point for Epic. a lot of times, the deals are not about supporting Epic,
the deals are about not supporting Steam.

also Steam is such a huge platform with like 250 new games per week,
that there are publishers who are simply afraid that nobody will see their new game
or that the spotlight for the game is too small.
on the Epic store most of the time there is just one game in the spotlight and nothing else.
Metro Exodus was in the main spotlight of the Epic Store for a couple of days without any competition.
also Epic has (with Fortnite included) a playerbase of something like 250-350 mil players worldwide
and even if a really big group of that are just free2play players, you can still promote your game to a very
large group of people who cant buy cheap keys.

there will be even more exclusive games in the future and we dont know the details of every company.
its impossible to know everything.

if you just dont believe in my oppinion because you dont think that this is how it works,
whats the point in this discussion. i can write the same thing just slightly different and you will still say that it doesnt work.
okay, and why should i believe that you know how it works? i'm saying that XYZ can work
and then you will say no it doesnt work because thats just how it is. all partnerships are like this,
all publishers want to do it like this. okay, great conversation. im pretty sure that we both dont know
the approach or strategy of every company.
i think we already said everything. we can discuss this again in lets say 2-5 years
and then we can exactly see what happened or what didnt happen.
 
The brilliant Tetris Effect - Eurogamer's Game of 2018 - will arrive on PC next week via the Epic Games Store. It'll be the first time it has been available anywhere other than PlayStation 4.

As on PS4, Tetris Effect is also designed for VR - and it'll arrive with both Oculus Rift and HTC Vive support ready to go.

This PC version will also offer extra graphical options - resolutions 4K and up are supported, with an uncapped framerate, ultra-wide monitor support and more.

Put down a pre-order before launch or buy Tetris Effect within its first two weeks and you'll get 20 per cent off, a sampler soundtrack, and desktop wallpapers.
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Another one bites the dust. LMAO, if I were a PC gamer I'd definitely be whoring myself out to Epic by now. They're getting ALL the greats. I can only imagine how much money Epic has if they're just throwing it out there so casually.
 
I had a gander on Outragesetera earlier (for my sins) and there's plenty of people who will now download the EGS because it's the only way to play Tetris Effect. 'THEY GOT ME LOL'

I told ya these folk are all talk and no trousers. Two weeks ago they were screaming eternal boycott because of Shenmue III
 
That's what's going to happen to Shenmue 3. Once word gets out it's awesome and the greatest game designer of all time has done it again, the 'fans' who think they can wait a year are going to crawl back to Ys Net. Epic really will just become 'another game launcher' if that's all that's getting in the way of playing the game.
 
It's funny that you think Tetris Effect is a big seller.
Not every game has to be a day one purchase, this is what a lot of people struggle to understand.
 
Down by Law said:
I had a gander on Outragesetera earlier (for my sins) and there's plenty of people who will now download the EGS because it's the only way to play Tetris Effect. 'THEY GOT ME LOL'
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In other words, these people didn't care about the launcher and just wanted another way to shit on Shenmue.
 
Aren't Resetera still whining about some dude from THQ Nordic thinking it would be a great idea to do an AMA on 8Chan anyways? Or did they just forget all about that and move onto the next controversy, like the controversy leeches they are?
 
Reprise said:
Aren't Resetera still whining about some dude from THQ Nordic thinking it would be a great idea to do an AMA on 8Chan anyways? Or did they just forget all about that and move onto the next controversy, like the controversy leeches they are?
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Some people are, but I think the majority of them stopped caring. Notice how those thousands of boycott and outrage posts didn't put a dent in THQ's or Deep Silver's sales.
 
DigitalDuck said:
In other words, these people didn't care about the launcher and just wanted another way to shit on Shenmue.
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Precisely. The boycotts went straight out of the window the moment a game they actually wanted appeared on the store. Some principles, huh?

GhostTrick said:
It's funny that you think Tetris Effect is a big seller.
Not every game has to be a day one purchase, this is what a lot of people struggle to understand.
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What's that got to do with anything?
 
Uh-oh:

www.resetera.com

Epic Store May Have Cloud Saves Now (update: live on select games now)

I found a post on Reddit that shows that Moonlighter has the option for cloud saves. Does this mean that Epic Games Store is starting to roll out the feature? https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicGamesPC/comments/chphkp/cloud_saves_seems_to_be_available_for_moonlighter/ UPDATE: Confirmed
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One less thing to complain about.

Can they undo the refunds?

And people are still somehow finding a way to complain LMAO.
 
mjqjazzbar said:
Uh-oh:

www.resetera.com

Epic Store May Have Cloud Saves Now (update: live on select games now)

I found a post on Reddit that shows that Moonlighter has the option for cloud saves. Does this mean that Epic Games Store is starting to roll out the feature? https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicGamesPC/comments/chphkp/cloud_saves_seems_to_be_available_for_moonlighter/ UPDATE: Confirmed
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One less thing to complain about.

Can they undo the refunds?

And people are still somehow finding a way to complain LMAO.
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And there's still a shiton of legitimate complaints. Then again, it's always easier to act like this when you're not impacted.
(Btw not only this is still rolling out, it's not for every games.)
 
Another one bites the dust:

It has been officially announced that Mechwarrior 5: Mercenaries will now be releasing on December 10th 2019 exclusively on the Epic Games Store.
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Epic is savage.
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MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries delayed to December, now Epic Games Store exclusive

The developer says those who pre-ordered are eligible for refunds
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The launch of MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries, the first-person, simulator-style combat game set in the BattleTech universe, has been delayed once more. According to today’s announcement, Mercenaries will now launch on Dec. 10 as an Epic Games Store exclusive for a period of one year. Fans upset about either the delay or the shift from Valve’s Steammarketplace are being directed to an FAQ document for instructions on how to request a refund.

Mercenaries was originally slated to launch some time in 2018. In December of that year the team pushed it back to Sept. 2019. In today’s announcement, the team at Piranha says it now needs an additional few months “to put considerable more quality into the game while also giving us the time needed to localize to other languages and to put considerable effort into marketing the game’s release.”

The deadline for requesting a refund is Sept. 1.

This isn’t the first game to promise delivery via Steam and then pull the rug out from under waiting customers. Most recently the team behind Shenmue 3 made the announcement that it would also be an Epic Games Store exclusive. Shortly thereafter, Epic CEO Tim Sweeney said his company would issue refunds out of its own coffers for Kickstarter backers angered by the switch from Steam.

This is also just another example of Epic being very aggressive in securing exclusives for its new storefront, which offers developers much higher margins on sales of their games compared to Steam.
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Yes, the usual suspects are flipping out.
 
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GhostTrick said:
And there's still a shiton of legitimate complaints. Then again, it's always easier to act like this when you're not impacted.
(Btw not only this is still rolling out, it's not for every games.)
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I haven't said a thing about the Epic matter because maybe metagaming stuff like achievements, friend list and community discussion might be really that important to some. But oh please, impacted as a gamer? You mean the graphics are worse on the Epic launcher or the game is more laggy than if it was on Steam? Come on... Man. I've played Metro Exodus offline just fine, it had controller support if I wanted and no Chinese government went through my bank account or porn. So yeah, I don't see why it's such a sacrilege to "act like this".
 
They’re making an effort to improve the platform. It’s amusing watching people fall over themselves to still find fault with the platform in spite of that. Why is competition such a bad thing?
 
i think its funny how these "they just did it because of the money" comments pop up on every board
where the topic is about Epic.
"the developers like money", "they are afraid because their game is bad, thats why they need Epic"
"lol the game will flop, thats what you get for this kind of deal".

yeah, these monsters! accepting money for their work, disgusting!
how dare you little AA game studios and publishers accepting these extra funds just to be more safe!
who is afraid just because of a million dollar project? pathetic!
if you would sell your game on Steam you would be all billionaires because every game on Steam is always a success!

... its like: everything that has anything to do with Epic, its automatically bad. no discussion.
it doesnt matter what good sides there are, everything will be ignored or turned into something negative.
its only good and acceptable and a win and a success if its on Steam.
Epic exclusive is like some kind of declaration of war and suddenly all the "Steam soldiers"
are hoping that the game will be a failure because then they can celebrate and preach
that it would have been a 20000% hit if it would be available on Steam. ha-ha, you lost! na, na, na, na, na, na!

all of these discussions, hate, rage, swearing, even death threats because of videogames and different launchers ...
there is not even any real bad side to these deals, the only negative thing is that people who want the other launcher
have to wait. thats all. everyone gets the exact same game. you want the game on day one? then play it on day one.
you want the other platform? then wait like for any other announced game.

its all pretty ... stupid.
 
Indeed the Epic Store conversation has no ending because people here clearly only care as its to defend Shenmue III on top of not being impacted.

"I dont care, I dont even play on PC lol"
This is why this conversation was never going to produce meaningful debate.



Guppy said:
I haven't said a thing about the Epic matter because maybe metagaming stuff like achievements, friend list and community discussion might be really that important to some. But oh please, impacted as a gamer? You mean the graphics are worse on the Epic launcher or the game is more laggy than if it was on Steam? Come on... Man. I've played Metro Exodus offline just fine, it had controller support if I wanted and no Chinese government went through my bank account or porn. So yeah, I don't see why it's such a sacrilege to "act like this".
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Outside of Shenmue III, yes, it's impacting the market in a terrible way for PC gaming.
When an actor comes in agressively in an attempt to control the entire market (for real this time, so spare me the Steam monopoly bit when they've never paid people to remove games from 3rd party stores), this is bad. Especially when it drove the prices up for those games. Instead of that, pushing for an objectively worse service.
 
I don't really have a dog in this fight but I'd like to just make an observational comment that Steam is repeating Ninty's mistake during the 90's console war. Instead of throwing hate at dev's I'd advise steam defenders to get Gabe to one-up Epic before it's too late and epic snatches enuf share away.
 
Latest Oddworld game has gone Epic exclusive for PC with an explanation tweet, looks like Epic is giving them in advance the stimated PC sales. I am starting to think that all this agreements includes at some point a "potentail Free Game" clause

 
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